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Episode 53 - Peyton Place by Grace Metalious (with special guest!)

Today we have a special treat for you - we got Henry from FireStarters   to read Grace Metalious' Peyton Place  with us and let me tell you... it's a real Peyton Place in there. I honestly can't even describe the plot of this book so let me just give you the trigger warnings, I guess?  So this book is trying really hard to shock you, which shouldn't shock you - the stuff that isn't  intentional in it, therefore, is... more shocking?  So on that front look out for rampant 1950's racism that thinks it's progressive including whoa  n-word count and awful depictions of mental illness, including a character who dies by suicide.  The stuff you're here for, though - the Peyton Place  stuff - includes but probably is not limited to because my god: incestuous rape and abuse, secret illegal abortion(s), an industrial carnival accident, a cat strangled in absolutely bizarre circumstances (I mean seriously usually I'm the one freaked out by animal cruelty but t

Episode 39 - Kajira of Gor by John Norman, with SPECIAL GUEST!

We have a very special treat for you this episode! Miss Honey Analverkehr of My Mum is a Pornstar joined us all the way from Australia to talk about a book that had a big impact on her as a young person, John Norman's Kajira of Gor. Note: unfortunately, we had some audio issues with this one (we keep trying different things for these pandemic episodes but they keep on having different problems!) but we felt the content was so great we had to release it even though every time we talk over each other it sounds like we're bobbing for apples. It's fine, they were great apples! Miss Honey is fantastic and much more charismatic than we are, so you're not going to want to miss this one.

 Tiffany is the world's stupidest perfume counter girl who gets groomed and then abducted to Gor, where men are men and women dribble the oils of submission! She spends the majority of the book thinking about how much she wants to get enslaved instead of thinking about how she is OBVIOUSLY THE BODY DOUBLE IN A BODY DOUBLE PLOT oh my god I cannot stress enough how dumb this woman is. Anyway, she eventually gets her wish and lives happily ever after until she turns 35 or so and gets fed to the sleen or whatever it is that happens to you on Gor when you get your first gray hair.

The content warnings for this one are pretty obvious - every time you give Tiffany one minute to think you get six pages about how woman's natural place, in a truly good society, is to be enslaved to a True Man.  (Seriously, there are maybe ten pages of plot in this book and the rest is Tiffany thinking the same damned thing over and over again.  It's not just misogynist, it's boring.)  There's a ton of nonconsensual sex, although the enslaved women are all really into it, which is its own kind of content warning.  There's branding, there's slavery, there's everything on the cover and what you see is what you get except that you are totally not expecting how much of it there is.


  1. It is obvious that you have not really read this book. If you had, you would have noticed there is a serum that keeps everyone from aging on Gor. Essentially, a Fountain of Youth elixir. Also, your comments on the book seem extremely biased based on your current societal surroundings.

    There are 35 books in this series and there are plenty of the real philosophy inundated within every page of the series. Professor John Lange is a philosophy professor. He is 89 years old and still writing. He also has many other series that he has worked on, standalone books, papers, research, and more. Perhaps look up his name and read some of his other writings before you completely discredit this book or what it is about.

    The type of commentary that you have placed on this book without obvious research on the actual culture of the series leaves me to wonder if it was your design in the first place to attach such stigma upon it as a way of discrediting it. You would not be the first, nor the last. Professor Lange was blackballed from bookshelves, authors guilds, conventions, and more for attempting to put a series out there with the natural order of human beings represented. You also did not make any reference to the obvious historical lending that is apparent in every culture throughout the series on Gor. Our history on Earth.

    It is obvious that at least one of you is from the South, which I am also from, and we have a tendency to speak directly to the point. A misogynist by definition is someone that hates women. It is quite obvious that Gorean men do not hate women, they in fact, love them, so does John Norman (Professor John Lange).

    I would say to have a more open mind, read it with actual open eyes, and forego the drinking while reading it, or pick some more of the books from the series.


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